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Hello all...
I just replaced a dimmer linc and am having problems adding
the PLM in as a responder. I had to rebuild this devices
links from scratch.
In the Links tab, all other devices show the PLM as a
responder with button set as 0. When I try adding the PLM
as a responder it will only allow a button of 1 or greater?
Why can't I add the PLM to match all of the other linking
in the system?
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What is a dimmer linc?
The Button number (Green column heading) for a PLM as a Responder is irrelevant. The Group number must match. The Button number identifies which Responder output unit should react to the link, such as which KeypadLinc button is the actual Responder. A PLM has no output units per se so the Button number makes no difference. PH will at times dictate valid Button numbers based on the type of Controller involved. The PLM does not care and does not use Button number when locating a Responder link record.
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Thanks for the reply Lee,
Sorry, I meant SwitchLinc Dimmer...
Well here is how the links look for all of the other
groups:
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Here are the links for the device in question:
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Just not shure why the PLM in all the other groups is in
with button 0 but if you say it doesn't make any
difference than ok I guess...
Edited by k2zs - November 21 2011 at 20:07
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well.... that certainly didn't work...
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The SwitchLinc uses Group 1 for a paddle press. I cannot access the images in the earlier post. Is there any Insteon traffic in the Insteon Raw Log when the SwitchLinc paddle is pressed. There are various reasons why a link is not working. The Responder Button number in a PLM link is not one of them.
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I think we're getting off topic here Lee...
There's no issue with the device, it was just replaced by
the electrician. I was given the wrong address at first
and when I did a "replace address" it failed. When I was
provided the correct address and changed it I found all
of the original links had disappeared.
I tried rebuilding all of the links but when adding the
PLM as a responder, it wouldn't allow me to put it in
with a button number of 0 (which is how ALL of the other
devices are configured). Just wondering why this one
device is different...
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I understand the question and I do not have an answer. What I do know is the Button number (not Group number as that is critical) in a PLM responder link record is irrelevant. Perhaps Dave will jump in and explain why PH will not allow the Button number you want to put in that field but it makes no functional difference. If there is no Insteon traffic in the Insteon Raw Log when the SwitchLinc paddle is pressed it has nothing to do with the PLM Responder link button number.
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Two questions.
When trying to establish the PLM as a Responder to the SwitchLinc has the SwitchLinc or the PLM been selected as the Current Device?
Which section of the Links tab is being used to define the link, "Controllers (of current device)" or "Responders (of current device)"?
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If the SwitchLinc is the Current Device the Responders (of current device) should be used to create a link where the PLM is the Responder.
If the PLM is the Current Device the Controllers (of current device) should be used to create a link where the PLM is the Responder.
Whatever combination that was being used before where the Button number was not accepted, try the other combination. If the SwitchLinc was the Current Device before, use the PLM as the Current Device or vise versa.
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Just to add my 2 cents to what happened. I have also had the PLM button number change from what it was originally and could not reinstall it to the same either. But as Lee said it made no difference when I selected the button number PH would allow.
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The 0 vs 1 for the responder button is something that changed between PH versions when the Insteon Types table to allow for differentiating between Controller groups and responder groups.
In previous versions, there was only a groups setting and devices which only supported a single group such as SwitchLincs would require you to put a 0 for the responder button. I believe this was also the way it was for the PLC/PLM as the responder group did not matter.
Since Insteon has changed somewhat since then and we have devices with a differing number of controller groups and responder groups, the types table had to distinguish between them. Depending upon the version you're running, you'll get different responder button functionality as I try to tweak the settings to support various Insteon devices.
In version 2.1b, if the responder groups is 1, you must enter a value of 0 for the responder button. All other devices must enter a value from 1 to the max number of responder groups. In 2.1.4 (at least in the version Im running unless this change did not make it into the 2.1.4 beta), basically the same thing except you can now enter 0 to the max number of groups so a switchlinc with 1 responder group can have either 0 or 1 in the responder button field. This would also allow you to enter a 0 for the PLM/PLC.
As Lee already pointed out though, the responder button value for a PLC/PLM has no bearing on actual functionality and you're currently the victim of the changing Insteon spec and PH versions  .
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