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Didn't the old version have a KPL tab on the Insteon
Explorer? I don't see one on 2.1.5, so how do I program a
2334-222?
I have the device installed in the wall, and autodiscovery
found it ok, but it is listed as an XXX - New Insteon
Device Type on the device tab. Other than that, I don't
know what else I can do with it.
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Skip,
Keypadlinc setup moved to a tab in the window that opens
when you press the "Options" button on the devices tab.
To correct the XXXX - New Insteon device, just go to the
"Types" tab and change the newly created entry to match
the description you would like.
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Thanks. Is there a way to make a PLM group a responder for
a KPL button? I tried adding my PLM as a responder, then I
entered the PLM group ID in the Group column and I
immediately got an error that I could only put a 1 or a 0
in that column. This is strange because I have this for one
of my older KPLs and I did exactly that--I put the PLM
group number in the first column. So is it something
different with the new type of KPL? Or am I just doing it
wrong?
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Skip,
Yes, you should be able to make the PLM a responder of
a KPL button with no problem (you definitely want to
do this as this is PowerHome will "know" that the KPL
button was pressed). However, most people just set the
"Button" column (the green column under the Responders
sectoins) to either 0 or 1 for the PLM as it doesnt
really do anything for you to use a different PLM
group (it would in no way "trigger" that PLM group or
control other devices).
If its only allowing 0 or 1 for this column, then that
means that your responder groups for your PLM device
(Types tab) is only 1 and it should be set to 255
(both controller and responder groups for the PLM
should be 255).
Typically the way you would set this up is to make the
KPL the "Current device" in the links tab. Next
drag/drop the PLM to the responders area and set the
Group to the button number of the KPL the PLM will
respond to. Set the Button to 1 (or any group from 0
to 255 once you make the change above). The rest of
the columns, the defaults are fine. Let the links
build and then PowerHome will be sent an Insteon
message when the KPL button is pressed and you can
then fire triggers, etc.
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I hear ya, but I cannot set the group (the first column) to
a number higher than 1.
http://imgur.com/v6PN79a.png
I did check the types tab, and both were set to 254. I
changed it to 255, but it still didn't work. It's the 2414U
in the screenshot below
http://imgur.com/impWYpt.png
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Skip,
The blue column ("Group") in the responders window is
for the current device, in this case the KPL. You need
to adjust the Types tab for the KPL to show controller
and responder groups to 8.
In your original post, you were asking "Is there a way
to make a PLM group a responder for a KPL button?" and
then mentioned "then I entered the PLM group ID in the
Group column" so I thought you meant the "Button"
column.
Just an FYI, the color coding of the columns shows
which device they belong to. The "Current Device" (the
KPL in your sample) are all blue columns which means
that the data belongs to that device. In the
Controllers section, the blue columns also refer to
the current device whereas the reddish brown columns
refer to the controller. In the Responders section,
the blue columns refer to the current device (so the
Group button is the KPL group not the PLM group) and
the green columns belong to the responder device.
Hope this helps,
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That fixed that problem. Thanks, Dave.
Now I am getting close. I want the middle four
buttons to do this
3 (upper left) set group 21 to level 255
4 (upper right) set group 21 to level 96
5 (lower left) set group 21 to level 0
6 (lower right) set group 6 to level 0
The big top and bottom button work fine controlling the
load that they are connected to.
Ideally, I would like the middle four buttons to either
stay on all the time, or stay off. No toggling or
anything. Just on all the time or off all the time.
Edited by MrGibbage - April 05 2015 at 16:22
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Here's a screenshot of what I have so far.
http://i.imgur.com/fhBBBeZ.png
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Skip,
Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. If you're
hoping pressing a KPL button will trigger a PLM group
to be controlled (button 21 and 6) then it won't work
and goes back to what I was saying before that there
really isnt any reason to use a PLM "button" group
number other than 1. Insteon just doesnt work this
way. You could setup a PowerHome trigger to monitor
for the KPL button press and then send a command to
the PLM to control its group 21 or 6 but there will be
a delay between the button press and the action taking
place depending upon how much is going on in PowerHome
at the moment.
The proper way to do this is to essentially
"duplicate" the responders to the PLM group as
responders to the KPL button press. If your PLM group
21 controls LIGHT1 and LIGHT2 turning both on at 50%
(level and ramprate are predefined when you create the
group and cant be changed via a group command) then
you would add LIGHT1 and LIGHT2 as responders to the
KPL group (3 if you want to trigger this group on
button 3) with the desired ramprate and the level at
50%.
You would ALSO want to keep the groups you've defined
above but change the "button" to 1 so that PowerHome
will "know" when you press those buttons. You would
also want to create a PLM responder (again button 1)
for KPL group 1 (the main button) so PowerHome can
properly update the status when this button is
manually controlled.
To get buttons to only send "on" or "off" commands,
you would do that in the KPL configuration tab under
the "Options" button.
Hope this helps,
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I think I see the error of my ways now.
This KPL is outside my master bedroom. I want to be able
to use it to control the lights in my bedroom. The load
(button 1) is connected to the hall light, and that's OK.
It's the middle four buttons that I want to program.
Buttons 3, 4, & 5 will all control the same lights, but I
want them at different levels. Those lights have all been
programmed into PLM group 21. What I am hearing from you
is that I cannot control the level when I turn the scene
on. Instead, I will need to make three scenes:
Bedroom_full_bright (PLM GP21), bedroom_dim (PLM GP22),
and bedroom_off (PLM GP23). And then I can program each
of those scenes to the KPL buttons individually.
I think part of my confusion is that I thought from what
you were saying earlier is that I thought the GROUP
column would hold the KPL button number, and the button
column would hold the PLM group number. That seems
counter-intuitive, but I can live with it.
I'll try and redo it tonight after I get home from work.
Thanks for sticking with me, Dave!
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Skip,
If I understand you correctly, still not quite right.
Since you want the KPL buttons to control the lights,
you don't even need to worry about the PLM (the KPL is
controlling the lights...not the PLM) so the PLM
groups and how they are setup are irrelevant.
If button 3 is to control 2 lights at full on, then in
the responders for the KPL group 3 (the blue column
refers to the KPL if it is the current device), create
two lines. One for LIGHT1 and one for LIGHT2. Set the
"button" column (the green column will refer to the
responder device) to both to 1 and set the "D Level"
to 255 for both. For button 4 (say the lights will be
turned on at 50%), create two lines (LIGHT1 and
LIGHT2) and set the "D Level" to 127.
For each of these responder groups, I would STILL
include the PLM as a responder (on PLM group 1 which
would be a 1 in the green "button" column) so that the
PLM will "know" when you press these buttons so it can
update status accordingly.
The Group column in the Responders section (the blue
column) is the group number for the Current Device
(which would be the Controller for entries in the
Responders section) is the Group number of the
controller. The "Button" column in the Responders
section (the green column) is the group number for the
Responder Device.
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Whoo hoo! I am in business now. It's been a long time since
I have needed to do any Insteon links and insteon
programming, so that is why I had all of the questions. For
the most part, my setup has been rock solid for a few years
now. So, thanks for putting up with me Dave.
May I ask another question, then? I am wondering why we
have PLM groups at all. If I can't set an insteon switch to
control a PLM group, then why have them? Is it just so PH
can do stuff with them?
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Skip,
PLM groups are so you can control (The PLM as a
controller and various devices as responders) is so
that the PLM (via PowerHome) can control groups of
objects together. You have 255 groups available so can
create all kinds of scenes that PowerHome can launch.
The PLM should ALWAYS be listed as a responder for all
devices that are capable of issuing a group command.
Without the PLM as a responder (remote devices as the
controller), PowerHome may not know that the remote
device was remotely controlled.
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