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I have PH with a 2414U PLC and my Elk with a 2414S PLC. When I turn on a SwitchLinc with the PH Device Status screen, the Elk gui doesn't immediately reflect that the switch is now on. The same thing (or lack thereof) happens if I turn on a SwitchLinc with the Elk gui. But if I turn on the SwitchLinc manually, both guis will show the status change (the Elk shows a lot quicker than the PH Device Status).
Is there some way to link the Elk and PH PLCs so that they are aware of each others activities?
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the Elk and PH do not update the status until they get the ACK from the device (they don't assume that the command will make it there). Manually hitting the button sends out the update immediately.
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just a guess but You may have to put the elk plc in all the links in the PH PLC and reverse... Just like you are using a kpl and a switch and PH.... I beleive you need to add the plc to all the links so it listens to the commands the other one sends.
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I already have each SwitchLinc etc linked to both the 2414S and the 2414U. But I don't know how to link the 2414U directly to the 2414S. I believe the problem is that the SwitchLinc doesn't tell the 2414U when it was turned on by the 2414S and vice versa. Is Insteon designed to have two "masters"?
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in the link at the plc end (2414U, PH) try to create a group with the add the 2414s in it. and vice versa?
for my switches I also want to update the KPL. soa I had to create groups to send the on command to both... would this work?
Edited by mustangcoupe - July 16 2006 at 18:16
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chat message from over at CT between me and Wayne... so we dont loose where we were..... wrote:
<WayneW> todd, you mean create one link or lots ot little links or one massive link? I am not following
<mustangcoupe> Im thinking groups.... for my KPL to show the status when PH turns on the porch light I needed groups. so PH actually sends the on command to the group the light is contained in not the light itself
<mustangcoupe> and the kpl and light both sho the status
<mustangcoupe> I mean PH and kpl show the status of the light
<WayneW> do you mean groups (ids above 192) or just extra links?
<mustangcoupe> I need to vnc in to the PH box nd see what I did...
<WayneW> in PH, the groups from the PLC start at 1, but they map to 192 and up in Elk
<mustangcoupe> I dont have my elk set up for insteon yet I just got it friday...
<mustangcoupe> in ph it is called a group.... so thats why I was calling it that
<WayneW> it gets confusing because Insteon calls a link a group
<mustangcoupe> yup
<mustangcoupe> I guess I would say you need to add a link in the groups from/to the second controller
<mustangcoupe> I have a link/group in PH configured as such PH/PLC->Switch and->KPL, Switch->PH/PLC and->KPL, KPL->Switch and->PH/PLC all to keep updates in both kpl and PH accurate
<mustangcoupe> so the above would be 3 groups/links in PH
<WayneW> yeah, I have similar with my crosslinked KPLs
<mustangcoupe> I am going to run into this same problem once I get my elk fully installed... (it has power and kpd in right now...) lets get the problem solved with you first :)
<mustangcoupe> do you think the crosslinks work with the 2 controllers? or did you already try that?
<WayneW> hmm, I have the sawitch linked to the 2414U and 2414S, which works, since both apps know when I manually trigger the switch
<WayneW> but I don't have a link from the 2414U to the switch and 2414S, therefore the 2414S doesn't know when the 2414U tells the switch to turn on
<mustangcoupe> right...
<mustangcoupe> and back from the 2412S
<WayneW> but what group number do I use? group 1 = ID 192 (M1), which is for true group (scene) commands
<WayneW> the only things I have linked OUT of my PLCs are scenes
<mustangcoupe> I have no scene's and I actually created groups back to the plc just so I could see the status in PH when I was away... I used 1-10 I guess that would be 192-202 in the elk
<WayneW> but PH and the Elk controil the switches now without outward links
<WayneW> sorry, bbl
<mustangcoupe> we can continue this over at the ph thread... |
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but PH and the Elk controil the switches now without outward links
But the problem exists that you dont see the communications at the elk when ph turns it on and the reverse... so try one outbound link from ph to both the switch and second controller, and from the elk to the switch and the primary controller and then from the switch to both controllers.... I think this will solve your (our) problem
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Ok, this may be a completely silly question, but I'm asking anyway
Why would you want your equipment controlled by both powerhome and the elk system? I'm just trying to wrap my mind around this and come up with a situation.
Thanks!
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Quickly I could say have PH handle scenes movie mode, romance mode, ect... and elk security but also turn off anything left on once armed.... also with elk's dial in feature.... cal in from your cell phone to turn on lights when you are a few blocks away, yes I know you could email PH and do that too...
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Cicero, for me that is not a silly question. Basically I want both to be in control for troubleshooting and testing. I also want PH to be fully aware as I desire to do some logging and the Elk doesn't do any Insteon logging. Not to be disrespectful to PH, but so far all I am using PH for is its Insteon support.
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Thanks. I can understand the logging, etc.
SO, in an upcoming case I'll have, small condo, I could do HVAC, Security and Insteon lighting with an Elk contoller and the neseccary interfaces/expander boards (serial board, ethernet for internet access, PLC, controllable HVAC controls) correct? I'm also going to be installing 2 small network cameras for security when we're not there that can be accessed directly, so don't need to go through the ELK or anything. I don't plan on doing Scenes there, just security and control.
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Wayne,
Concerning the Elk, I don't believe it fully understands group commands. In other words, if you've got a KPL that controls a couple of lights as a group, then when the KPL is switched, it doesnt know that the other two lights should turn on as well. Im not sure about direct commands though.
Now, if the Elk sends a direct Insteon command from it's PLC to a switch, then PowerHome should see this in the log and update the Device Status immediately (as long as both the Elk PLC and the controlled device are in the PH Insteon Devices screen and you've done the Add ID's to PLC). When the Elk sends a group command, PowerHome should also update immediately as long as PowerHome is aware of the group (the group would show the Elk PLC as the controller and the controlled device as a responder). As long as this group exists in the PowerHome Links database, then PowerHome should respond right away (as long as the PLC and controlled device's ID's have been added to the PowerHome PLC with the "Add ID's to PLC" button).
I havent had a chance to get my Elk configured to test this scenario yet so if the above is all taken care of and it's still a problem, let me know so I can get to work on this.
Dave.
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Edit:
I have set the links up as described below.
1) When the switches are operated locally, both PH & the Elk see and react to switch changes (GOOD).
2) When I change the switch through the Elk, PH and the switch react properly (GOOD).
3)When I change the switch through PH, the switch changes, but the Elk does not "see" the change. I DO have links from PH to the Elk (Not Good).
With the ElkInsteon utility, I have loaded all my switches AND BOTH PLC's into the Elk. What am I doing wrong?
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....just like WayneW, I have a Powerlinc connected to PH, and another one to my Elk. Has anyone (WayneW or MustangeCoupe) acheived a set-up where both PH & the Elk always know the state of the switch?
From reading above, here is the concept that I think should work. Does It???
1) When a switch is turned on locally, it sends out a group response to both PLCs (PH & Elk).
2) When PH turns the switch on, it sends out a group response to the switch and to the Elk PLC
3) When the Elk turns the switch on, it sends out a group reponse the switch and to the PH PLC.
If this concept does work, how do you implement it in the Elk? I did finally get the ElkInsteon utility to work (another post to come). But that utility seems designed to only to load device addresses (Dave posted that it has nothing to do with links or groups). So, the utility does not let you load anything above 193 (where Elk groups should start).
Anyone want to PM me? I will gladly pay for a telephone call to chat with you about this.
Steve
Edited by smarty - October 09 2006 at 20:43
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