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mmoore99
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I sent an email to Dave, but thought i would also post this question in the forum as well...
I am attempting to use a USB-UIRT to both receive and send IR codes from PH and am having some problems. I have installled the USB-UIRT controller and can see incoming IR events in the event log when I send an IR code to the USB-UIRT via the remote control. But it takes two button presses on the remote for one incoming event to register in PH. Even though the led on the USB-UIRT flashes each time the button is pressed, the event log in PH only shows one incoming IR event. BTW, the USB-UIRT works successfully when used with Girder...each button press is received and displayed successfully in the Girder status bar.
Also, I am not able to successfully learn an IR code into a device definition. When I right-click and press "Record" the USB-UIRT refuses to acknowledge any remote button presses (the red led does not blink when the remote button is pressed). PH waits and then displays an error message indicating that it timed out while waiting to receive an incoming message from the USB-UIRT. As soon as the learn function turns off, the USB-UIRT returns to functioning normally?
Any help would be apreciated.
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Mike,
The USB-UIRT is an excellent little IR device. You'll be very happy with it.
Open the PowerHome Explorer, go to Setup->Controllers and click on the settings button for your USB-UIRT. The default "Save Signal Type" will be UIRT-Raw. Change this to UIRT-Struct. Also, be sure and check the "Enable Remote Control" option. Close the Explorer and reinitialize or restart PowerHome.
Let me know if this does any better for you.
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dhoward wrote:
Mike,
The USB-UIRT is an excellent little IR device. You'll be very happy with it.
Open the PowerHome Explorer, go to Setup->Controllers and click on the settings button for your USB-UIRT. The default "Save Signal Type" will be UIRT-Raw. Change this to UIRT-Struct. Also, be sure and check the "Enable Remote Control" option. Close the Explorer and reinitialize or restart PowerHome.
Let me know if this does any better for you.
Dave.
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Dave, I tried your suggesions, but no luck. I am still unable to learn any remote commands and it still requires two remote button presses fir the incoming code to be recognized by PH. Just for good measure I also tried the "Pronto" code setting, but the behavior is still the same. Any other ideas?
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Mike,
I will look for my USB-Uirt and do some testing for you (having moved last year, a lot of my Home Automation equip is still boxed up).
Is the USB-Uirt able to send codes without problems? How old is your Uirt? In the Help->About under the Controllers tab, could you post for me what the settings are for your Uirt?
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dhoward wrote:
Mike,
I will look for my USB-Uirt and do some testing for you (having moved last year, a lot of my Home Automation equip is still boxed up).
Is the USB-Uirt able to send codes without problems? How old is your Uirt? In the Help->About under the Controllers tab, could you post for me what the settings are for your Uirt?
Thanks,
Dave.
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Dave,
My I purchased my USB-UIRT a couple of months ago. I actually have two units that I purchased at the same time. I have tried to use both with PH and have experienced the same results with both.
I have not tried to send IR commands yet, I am only currently setup for receiving. I did test incoming IR with the USB-UIRT and Girder which worked successfully.
Here are the settings you asked for:
ID: USB-UIRT. USB-UIRT IR Controller.
Firmware: 5.9
Protocol Supported: 1.1
Firmware Date: 2004-3-26
API Version: 256
As always I appreciate your asistance and will look forward to hearing from you tomorrow.
Edit: I just installed PH and the USB-UIRT on a second computer and it exhibits the same behavior as described above. At least the problem is not intermittent or only manifested on one system.
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Mike and others,
I think Ive discovered the problem and it appears to be a code regression since changing over to the new Controller methodology in the last three betas.
I will be working on the fix tonight and should have a patch either tonight or tomorrow.
Dave.
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I've just purchased a USB-UIRT and have the same problem mmoore99 describes. I have the -4 patch but I am using version 1.4 of the USB-UIRT driver which I understand is relatively new. Can the driver be the problem?
The autolearn doesn't work at all. It simple goes to the screen that indicates all the codes have been learned, when in fact none have.
In the record mode I had 1 success using the Pronto setting. But I couldn't duplicate that and now nothing works. I tried deleting the controller, setting up a new one, setting up and deleting the ir devices numerous times but it seems to freeze up and then give me the timeout error message. I've gone through all the threads on the board and tried all the suggestions to no avail. I've spent hours on this already.
Are there any fixes? Should I try the 1.3 driver if I can find it?
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I am running phuirt.dll version 1.0.0.1
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Tony,
Thanks for the response. I am running phuirt.dll version 1.0.0.1 as well. In fact, I redownloaded the patch again today and installed it again, just to make sure. And each time I changed anything I closed PH and then reopened it, just to make sure.
Any other suggestions?
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I too see problems with the USB-UIRT.
My previous post decribed how the incoming code (seen in the PH log file) did not match what was previously "learned". Re-learning then didn't appear to work right. Something is going on.....
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I just learned two new keys for an existing device and all went well. I did notice that my previous entries did not have anything in the Incoming Code column; these two did.
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With further trial and error I was able to get some keys learned from 2 remotes using the Pronto settings. 2 other remotes did not work at all and I'm assuming that has to do with the 'short' burst problem mentioned elsewhere. Auto Learning did not work at all.
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Noel,
The trick to using the USB-Uirt (for the moment) is to uncheck the "Enable Remote Control" box in the USB-Uirt controller settings window and reinitialize. Because of the particular type of remote you're using, the "short" incoming code is keeping the learning of the "long" outgoing code from happening properly. This will all be taken care of in the next beta.
Once you've done this, you should be able to learn the outgoing codes without any problems (unless the frequency is out of range of the USB-Uirt and it is incapable of learning the remote). The only thing you'll be missing is the incoming code which is only useful if you plan on using an IR remote to cause triggers to fire within PowerHome.
Let me know if this helps or not.
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Thanks, Dave. Your info does help. Of course I do want to trigger events within PH using IR so I will need the short and long codes eventually. I await the next beta! I can copy the codes one by one from the event log but as someone mentioned the codes seem to be slightly different each time they are received and thus only work sometimes. But it's better than nothing in the short run.
Thanks!
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You should be able to still trigger the events if you like even with the current beta, it's just a PITA to setup.
The trick is to have the "Enable Remote Control" disabled and learn all of your "outgoing codes". Once all of the outgoing codes are learned, re-enable "Enable Remote Control" and reinitialize. From the appropriate distance (the normal distance you would typically use to trigger codes from PowerHome), press the remote button. You should then be able to go to the eventlog and copy and paste the "short" incoming code into the "Incoming Code" field. Once this is done, you can then setup a trigger.
The "Incoming Code" should not change or be different. The long "Outgoing Code" will almost always be slightly different between each learning but this is built into the structure of the code itself and is ok. The "Incoming Code" is a condensed version of the Outgoing Code with all of the slightly variable timings removed and is essentially just a representation of the decoded data so should not be changing.
That said, I have on occasion seen the incoming code be different if there is a lot of sunlight hitting the USB-Uirt or if the code is coming in at an extreme angle or extremely close or very far away. Generally though, the USB-Uirt is an extremely accurate little device and this should be very rare.
One other note, with the "Enable Remote Control" turned off, you should be able to use the "Auto-Learn" feature now and just blaze through the learning of the "Outgoing Codes".
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That's great. I'll try it tonight and let you know how I make out.
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....Did I miss a IR Patch?
Issue(s): Incoming IR is seen in the event log, but PH trigger does not act on them. Additionally, IR learn/autolearn does not appear to work.
Hardware/Software:
USB-UIRT w/additional 56KHz IR Sensor, V1.4 drivers (from USB-UIRT site). Controller settings are set to "UIRT Struc", and "Enable Remote Control" is checked.
PH: 3.47 beta, patch -4.
Dave, in your March 14th post (this thread), you mentioned that you may have found a "bug" in the IR. Is what I am seeing possibley related?
What I am trying to do....
Everyone would prefer two-way type control systems....(control with feedback if you will). For an upcoming new constuction, I would like to have PH see my incoming IR, and then tell me (via house intercom) that the incoming signal was recieved and the "action(s)" is now being performed.
With this, at least any house IR system issues can be isolated to where the weak link is.
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Smarty, Sounds like I have a very similar set up. I was able to get PH to eventually learn remote codes using USB_UIRT. I followed Dave's instructions above. I generally had to go back to the original remote for learning the codes and I used the Pronto mode. Altho the USB-UIRT didn't learn well from the Harmony 680 universal remotes I use, once the codes were learned from the original remote, I can now use the Harmony remote which successfully triggers events (I use the remote to trigger Weather and time announcements). I like your idea about triggering a TSS announcement that the IR was received and might incorporate that as well. I have no special patches, just what Dave's mentioned which you seem to have as well.
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Smarty,
The next beta should fix the USB-Uirt problems. In the meantime, there is a workaround.
The first thing to do is to learn the long range code (this is the outgoing code that controls the IR device). In the USB-Uirt settings screen, turn off "Enable Remote Control" and reinitialize. You can now learn all of the outgoing IR codes (learning won't work if the Enable Remote Control is turned on...this is the bug). Once you've learned the outgoing codes, turn "Enable Remote Control" on and reinitialize. Now send the same codes (from the distance you would typically send from...not the learning distance) and monitor the PowerHome log. Copy and paste the short incoming IR code into the "Incoming Code" field in the IR Equipment Details screen. Save your changes and you should now be able to create and fire triggers on incoming IR.
Dave.
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Thanks.
The new house is still not done  , so I will wait for the next release. Thanks for your efforts and response.
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